This is an actively moderated group. Be sure to stay on topic, or your posts will be removed.
Remember, you don't even need to be a Friendica user to join @Fediverse News. Because Friendica is part of the Fediverse, this group is available to everyone -- including people who use Mastodon!
I wouldn't say "blame.” After all, all he wanted to do is to create a clone, he found a working protocol that supported his needs, and he's using that protocol for his needs.
What is more to blame is people thinking that the “Fediverse" is somehow a homogenous group of interconnected diverse services rather than a shared protocol used by many services, that allows, somewhat, service interconnectedness.
@Chris Trottier I advise you to add a description to the group, because old friendica forum posts are not displayed by followers who have just started following them
@atomicpoet quick question. If I follow fediversenews group on Mastodon I now get not only boosted posts from other users which have tagged this profile but fediversenews also boosts every single reply to that post as well. Is this the intended behavior? Because it makes my home time line a lot more cluttered and confusing.
I both agree and disagree, arbitrary text search limiting on ONE platform does not protect a community. The fact of the matter is Pleroma is the tool of choice for trolls and it has arbitrary text search, they only have to spin up a new instance and spend a little time getting federated before trolling.
In fact from this account which runs on Calckey I can text search anything as you yourself have mentioned in the past, how does that protect anyone?
Groups will be like Twitter Communities in my opinion and won't contribute greatly to expanding the social graph, though.
It's a great idea if groups are adopted, I can see use cases for it but many users might not, or they might initially struggle with figuring out a use case for it.
If we are going to add new social discovery features that aren't well trafficked on other platforms we should work hard to explain these new features to all the users that come along and see them.
"Groups! It's like signing up for a newsletter you can contribute to." That's an over simplification but this is something we... show more
I both agree and disagree, arbitrary text search limiting on ONE platform does not protect a community. The fact of the matter is Pleroma is the tool of choice for trolls and it has arbitrary text search, they only have to spin up a new instance and spend a little time getting federated before trolling.
In fact from this account which runs on Calckey I can text search anything as you yourself have mentioned in the past, how does that protect anyone?
Groups will be like Twitter Communities in my opinion and won't contribute greatly to expanding the social graph, though.
It's a great idea if groups are adopted, I can see use cases for it but many users might not, or they might initially struggle with figuring out a use case for it.
If we are going to add new social discovery features that aren't well trafficked on other platforms we should work hard to explain these new features to all the users that come along and see them.
"Groups! It's like signing up for a newsletter you can contribute to." That's an over simplification but this is something we should consider BEFORE we spend a lot of time implementing a new feature. It's partly a technical challenge, partly a marketing challenge. Like on the Key forks they have "Antennas" and honest to my patron deity I didn't understand what they were until I dug around in the Misskey documentation to find out it's actually a Saved Search!
@Henrick It’s not about protection but community buy-in.
Sure, everything people post publicly is indexable and scrapable. And how Mastodon’s search works isn’t how the rest of the Fediverse works. We know that.
But if you want to build search anyway, you need to prove to the community that you’re not an asshole.
@atomicpoet @Henrick@kitty.social I'm not saying build search as an independent 3rd party. I'm saying search needs to be part of the software, it needs to be built in.
Calling it "protecting marginalized communities" is doing disservice to those marginalized communities. Saying it's about "Community Buy-In" is doing disservice to the fact there is no singular community.
Speaking as a member of a marginalized community no amount of alternative social discovery will replace the search function.
@Chris Trottier Hi Chris, I too am trying to promote the Friendica groups/forums in the Italian faith universe (I call them groups/forums to better understand their function), because we need tools that can aggregate topics
When you say off topic posts will be "removed", do you mean unboosted/unshared? It's hard for me to conceptualise a group with moderation that isn't something you join, or have posts deleted, or that has no banning as such. I appreciate this is part of what federation is, It's just that trying to parse it with my previous experiences of online groups, teh strugglz, they haz a realz. :/
Nope, I mean if something goes off topic, it will be removed from @Fediverse News. Since this is a Friendica group, it's possible.
The way you join this group is by following and then tagging your posts with @Fediverse News -- much like you mention anyone else on the Fediverse. However, this is a group, not an account for a single person.
This function isn't available natively on Mastodon, but it's available on Friendica. However, because Mastodon federates with Friendica, you have access to it through Mastodon.
Really like the fact that Friendica groups just appear as another user from a Fediverse perspective.
There is a minor glitch when viewing a Friendica group profile from Akkoma from the look of it. There is an RSS feed icon displayed for the profile in Akkoma, but its invalid from Friendica and gives a 404.
I'll raise an issue on the Akkoma bug tracker (if it hasn't already been raised).
It is with a heavy heart that I share this sad news with you. Despite how much we’ve accomplished together, we will be shutting down Post News within the next few weeks. We have done many great things together.
Between this and Pebble, it seems worthwhile to find better uses for account data downloads.
What about a project that ingests such downloads (could make it compatible with Twitter exports as well) and presents them as an ActivityPub server, so people can like and share the old posts? With or without reply/mention monitoring.
Of course import into a full social platform would be even better, but this idea could be built by a passionate developer in not very much time.
Mastodon, while having issues, is still a bit of server software a person can take and install. It's not really an equal chance equation like it would be talking Meta compared to X or something like that.
Maybe the big servers might fall when they can't keep up with scalability and costs, but the Mastodon software along with all the other ActivityPub enabled sites can keep going.
@CWSmith Sure, like tinkerers tinkering away on FidoNet 2.0, but beyond that Mastodon has not yet demonstrated it can achieve sustainable mainstream market traction. Don’t get me wrong, I hope it succeeds and thrives. But it isn’t a sure thing. It’s still just another slow-growth Ello imho.
There is also the funding/economic issues to concider. Servers cost money, how many of the users will be willing to contribute to their instances if a call for support goes out?
How many will start bitching if their Administration decides to institute Ads to try and get some income?
There are a lot of ways this could all spiral out of control.
honestly, I could see it coming a mile away, and I have no problem saying : good riddance. It was a futureless gimmick to capitalize on the 2022 Twitter exodus, possibly even intentionally to distract from the Fediverse, while playing lip service with vague promises. Its growth was inflated by a pyramid-scheme onboarding, and I still remember some of the shady stuff they pulled, like assembling fake profiles «this is where you could follow $person if they were here».
Ah, I actually liked the idea of Post, but it never really made sense to me to have my own profile there. It was more of a reader-reading-a-newspaper type of social media, and it didn't make sense to post anything myself.
@Radgryd Easy to claim a counter-factual, but I suspect if it was also open and fully federating from the start, I think it would have seen enough social engagement to survive.
can second this, it's so neat!!! I went through the "hacky route" the other day to follow a podcast and was happy. And then this app dropped, and it worked perfectly and made it easy to add
@evan I'm sorry but I don't think I understand. it searches and displays data from the podcast index that also has fedi info?
what I want is to transition podcasts from RSS to AP (not have a middleman) so that episodes are natively AP items and we could have podcatchers with boosting (the killer app here imo). that would let me see what episodes got boosted the most by the people I follow etc. so much potential once we make that change really.
@wjmaggos @evan Technically this is already possible with podcast index, no? You can follow specific podcast "accounts" from Fedi and when a new episode is posted, it's posted just like a regular post that can be boosted/favorited
@wjmaggos That's correct. The Podcast Index runs a bridge that makes each feed and every episode available via ActivityPub using the ap.podcastindex.org bridge.
There is a Fediverse first podcast host called @Castopod . They still produce an RSS feed but each feed is an account episode is a post.
Castopod is a free and open-source hosting platform made for podcasters. Engage and interact with your audience whilst keeping control over your content.
@pierostrada Thanks. Mostly just another way to let the feeds be shared. Podcast Index started an AP bridge and I wanted a way to make the accounts easier to find.
Also, thanks for showing me that there is a bug with the emoji size 😀
Wonder if anyone's stated goal is for ActivityPub to replace RSS as the medium of exchange for podcasts? Seems well suited for the job, being pushy vs poll-y.
@Matthias ✔ It won't work for you anyway. It's built hard against only Mastodon and Pleroma, not against ActivityPub standards. It won't support Friendica.
I don't need it because I follow my podcasts directly (e.g. via RSS). So it's not relevant for me. Nevertheless, I ask myself what happens to the meta data that is created in this way.
Does this mirror podcast content, or does each play pull the mp3 from the original host?
I ask because this has potential to ruin listeners count analytics, which are important to creators.
For larger shows, those numbers are critical to revenue and the ability to pay producers etc. For small shows like mine, those numbers are the difference between new episodes coming out and "Nobody's listening, why bother"
@mrbruno @msbellows oh wait fuck then people might be incentivized to buy the stock… fuck I forgot this isn't a walled off group. I wonder how many cents one requires for an x stock
@mrbruno @msbellows 40,82 USD. So perhaps only buy a 1/4000 split and feast on the shareholder meeting buffet. Although I assume Elmo will only provide potluck and skip on the hotel room bill. You ain't staying rich by paying money. Ugh
In other words, i don't know. Everyone not pretending to be elon is able to edit all posts pretending to be elon. And lootboxes when you login every hour
> [...] new accounts would be able to post after three months of creation without paying a fee.
This just means the bot farms have to put three months planning into their attacks. Create the accounts, leave them dormant for three months, then activate. So, really, it's not going to solve anything.
Certainly gives them something else to do with them. Chances that some of the $$ comes back to them washed through a dead bird’s gizzard, if you know what I’m saying? 😉
I was telling @mainframed767 that I've seen this problem addressed in simpler ways.
WeChat is fighting the same bot problem.
Solution?
In person verification of a new user by an existing user who scans their "I verify you as real" QR code. To prevent abuse you can only get one person a month or quarter. No payment needed.
If you have no friends to vet you, you can supply a payment card. No charge required. Just set it up on file. Of course they'll encourage you to then use their app's payment platform but that's just clever business.
@dans_root Seems like it would add some friction for them, especially if X keeps the credit card number on file and only permits one or two accounts per card. Also, I don't think X will refund the fee if it shuts down a spam bot. @tchambers @fediversenews
Feel like many there have committed to staying at this point, the only way they'll go is if it affects their use of the site. If it doesn't stop them tweeting or reading or limit the reach of their tweets they'll stick with it, ethical or principle-based reasons to leave are long past.
@danimrich @dans_root @tchambers @fediversenews hey. He literally writes that after 3 months new users can post without a fee. I bet all those farmers have tons of accounts that are older than 3 months. And will create new ones to have some backups with quarantine already gone.
Effectively this means that X can base its decision whether a user is real or a bot on 3 months of behavioural data. But who knows, maybe they'll require a credit card number nevertheless. @dans_root @fediversenews
"Musk later added that new accounts would be able to post after three months of creation without paying a fee." It shouldn't cause existing users to leave. It won't stop bots, because creating a bot and then doing nothing with it for 3+ months costs nothing. It will discourage new users, but I doubt Xitter is getting a lot of new users anyway.
Fediverse by way of Threads, so interaction here may be limited as Meta rolls out Fediverse integration, but still good news for everyone who only uses Mastodon.
but when I click on him it tries to make me download a spy app. I don’t understand, maybe I’m just old, but is he really here if I have to get threads to follow him?
But it's brand new and no new posts yet. Once he posts all posts can be followed, boosted, etc, like any other Fediverse account. Two-way interaction will come later. But a key voice to follow.
thanks, I’m going to try to search by his username in the little search bar because I find when I click on user names here it tries to send me out and back in and that’s probably what happened.
I’m excited to announce that a new Fediverse server, akkomane.social, is open for registrations.
What is Akkomane?
Akkomane is a portmanteau of “Akkoma + Mangane”. It’s how I refer to Akkomane servers with a Mangane front-end. Akkoma is resource efficient and stable Fediverse server software that’s been under active development. Mangane provides a Twitter-like UI/UX that is both attractive and feature rich. It’s my opinion that Akkomane has an exciting future on the Fediverse.
This is a general Akkomane server for casual chat. Few Akkomane servers exist, but I hope to change that. I have therefore created akkomane.social as a general purpose Akkomane server for people to try out Akkomane.
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I’m excited to announce that a new Fediverse server, akkomane.social, is open for registrations.
What is Akkomane?
Akkomane is a portmanteau of “Akkoma + Mangane”. It’s how I refer to Akkomane servers with a Mangane front-end. Akkoma is resource efficient and stable Fediverse server software that’s been under active development. Mangane provides a Twitter-like UI/UX that is both attractive and feature rich. It’s my opinion that Akkomane has an exciting future on the Fediverse.
This is a general Akkomane server for casual chat. Few Akkomane servers exist, but I hope to change that. I have therefore created akkomane.social as a general purpose Akkomane server for people to try out Akkomane.
Eventually, yes. However, since this is the first general Akkomane server on the Internet (as far as I know), I have taken steps to ensure general stability. Therefore, initial sign-ups will be capped at 20 people. To sign up for akkomane.social, you will need to fill out an application. Once approved, you can post to akkomane.social to your heart’s content. While anyone can apply to join akkomane.social, special consideration will be given to developers and server admins interested on working with Akkomane.
So far, I’ve been impressed with the results. I’ve been testing out Akkomane for six months, and I’ve grown confident that it is usable for most people. I now run it for a small server, atomicpoet.org, which successfully federates with 23,000 servers. It’s responsive enough to allow me to share messages to 13.5K followers. Now akkomane.social is the next step in demonstrating how Akkomane can scale.
Currently, everything on the Tier 0 list of blocks compiled by @oliphant is also being blocked by akkomane.social.
Why do I occasionally see French?
Because Mangane is developed by a French-speaking community, occasionally you’ll see stuff that has not yet been localized into English. This doesn’t happen often, but it’s there.
Who is running the day-to-day maintenance of akkomane.social?
I, Chris Trottier, am running the day-to-day operations of akkomane.social, including all moderation. @spacehost, run by @reiver, takes care of the daily maintenance and back-end work. I’ve been using their services since May 2023. Full disclosure: I occasionally consult for #SpaceHost.
Well, do you want an incredible and attractive #Fediverse experience that takes everything nice about #Twitter and improves on it drastically? If that’s you, then akkomane.social might be your home.
For now, akkomane.social is using the same Terms of Service as mastodon.social but this will be adjusted in the future. I am writing it here and am pinning it to this profile because, for the momen...
ANNOUNCEMENT: The world’s first general purpose #Akkomane server is here!
With great excitement, akkomane.social is open for registrations!
Akkomane is an alternative to #Mastodon and #Threads that provides incredible stability with a beautiful and futuristic Twitter-like front-end for the #Fediverse.
I have launched akkomane.social to demonstrate this software’s unique capabilities.
Currently, I’m capping memberships to 20 people (not bots). While membership preference is given to those who’d like to build and maintain an Akkomane server, everyone is welcome to apply! More membership slots will be available in the coming weeks.
I’m excited to announce that a new Fediverse server, akkomane.social, is open for registrations.What is Akkomane?Akkomane is a portmanteau of “Akkoma + Mangane”. It’s how I refer to Akkomane server...
@atomicpoet chris i like it! I'm hosting little #GoToSocial instance for testing right now, i like it for the minimum impact on my vps but can i ask you what is the RAM consumption for your personal akkoma space?
This is not the point. The point is #freesoftware goes beyond rivalry between people. There's no meaning to exclude some people when the value is the source code.
Cool, thanks! I will check it out. I'm also curious to see how well Ivory works with it since you mentioned that Mastodon clients ought to be able to work.
@husky is much better than Tusky while using a Pleroma's fork as fedi server. For example, it supports chat and emoji reactions you can't have on mastodon
Can't sign up due to the capcha not providing a visual alternative. I am not looking to host my own though so you would probably not get to me for a while. Thought you should know though! Looks like a cool project.
Thanks that's very kind! I will take one, if you are offering. I am mostly just looking for a place to post from that supports quotes and markdown that also federates with Threads. My current instance does not do these things. I am still happy where I am though, and since threads does not federate both ways, it is not a priority yet for me to be active there. So I would probably not be the kind of power user you are looking for at this stage. But if you don't mind, I don't mind! 😀
@Chris Trottier well, it's an interesting way of getting people aware of us 😁
I wonder how will external posts display on Threads. For example, on Friendica there's generally an icon next to the post/comment which is the logo of the network people are posting from (e.g. Mastodon etc.). If they would do something similar on Threads it would be quite interesting.
@petrescatraian If I understand Meta's announcement here, posts from outside of #Threads are not visible in Threads at all. Not yet, anyway. Currently, information can flow from Threads into the Fediverse, but not in the opposite direction.
The "our phased approach to the Fediverse" part of this indicates that Meta eventually plans to allow two-way communication between Threads and the Fediverse.
Threads has entered the fediverse! As part of our beta experience, now available in a few countries, Threads users aged 18+ with public profiles can now choose to share their Threads posts to other…
If the #Fediverse, in some small way, helps organize progressive Americans, and keeps the USA from falling into Fascist hands, then I will count this whole thing as a big massive success.
Even if Joe Biden (@potus) continues to use Threads.
How realistic is it to get White House officials to bring their own Fediverse entity into the network and not use threads for that?
Would such an initiative be successful in the States or is the awareness of one's own decision-making sovereignty different from that in Europe with regard to corporations and the use of their services? @potus@threads.net
@crossgolf_rebel Not very realistic at all. Due to the USA’s free speech laws (specifically the 2nd Amendment), it’s downright impossible for the U.S. government to moderate their server according to satisfactory Fediverse standards.
It doesn’t surprise me that @potus wants to offload the responsibility onto Threads.
This is the reality. Nevertheless, having Joe Biden active on the Fediverse is better than him not being active here at all.
that with the -->it's downright impossible for the U.S. government to moderate their server according to satisfactory Fediverse standards. <-- I don't understand. If the White House runs its own instance with a handful of users, what's there to moderate?
Apart from what your own employees write, you have no influence on what others write and reply to. So there is no moderation effort.
If shitposts are posted, it's up to the respective home instance to take action against them. Since they can be reported by the social media team of the White House.
Or am I missing something that applies specifically to the States?
@crossgolf_rebel If a Nazi, for example, replies to a post on a U.S. government server, due to 2nd amendment rights, they most probably cannot remove the comment.
But if they’re on Threads, for example, content moderation there is just par for the course since the U.S. government doesn’t run Threads.
You might be wondering why they don’t join some other server like mastodon.social or mozilla.social, and your guess is as good as mine. But I don’t think running their own server is an option.
They can just run some ActivityPub software that does not show any 3rd party content, including comments. So a one-way federation (except for stars I guess). I am sure you could get some existing AP Software configured that way.
They cannot stop anybody from creating comment posts to their posts, but those would just not be shown by the gov server and need to be moderated by the origin server, not the gov server anyways.
@JonathanTreffler @crossgolf_rebel Comment controls on the Fediverse has been pretty awful. Maybe someone in the government could invest in that feature, but I’m not holding my breath.
@barney Threads federation is in beta. Two way federation is coming soon.
My argument for federation is that people like Barack Obama and Joe Biden use Threads—and there’s nothing you and I can do to change that. It’s better that they’re on the Fediverse than not. Them being here is a win for the Fediverse.
If you don’t like most of Threads, your server could instead opt for limited federation which would allow you to follow people on Threads but not allow random posts from Threads to land on your Home feed.
Well, I'm only beginning to dip my toe into the issues here, but... my admin spends a lot of their own time and money running my instance, and they don't even charge me for using it. I choose to make donations, but they don't require or even know that I do. So, from their perspective, my account is nothing but a burden for them.
That being the case, I don't think they really owe me a vote on how they handle Threads. Of course I'm free to migrate if I want.
A huge "bummer" is that-- at least for #BarackObama's #Threads account-- the system asks me to log in to #Instagram if I want to simply "Like" one of his Threads posts.
Does anyone know if that's true for every #Threads post in every account?
Out of curiosity, why can’t you like @barackobama on universeodon.com? Your likes should show up on Threads. Comments, on the other hand, are a different issue – for now.
@AnneTheWriter1 He just opted into federation yesterday. So try to follow him from universeodon.com. And when a new post shows up, like him from your Mastodon account.
I went to #PresBiden's Threads account. His posts show up normal, like other Mastodon toots. I can "Like" them the same as any toots. Ditto for the account in his feed, "The White House."
So it seems like Obama's Threads account is simply reposting his Instagram posts.
Early on, I announced a plan to provide over 40 million working- and middle-class Americans with student debt relief.
Republican elected officials and special interests sued us. And the Supreme Court blocked us.
Trying to copy the account profile address from Obama's Mastodon interface also takes me to the official Threads/Instagram problem. https://threads.net/@barackobama/
So it looks like it is simply some kind of issue with codes and tags being used, NOT with actual federation or the Fediverse.
Congrats to @GamecockWBB and Coach Staley on a perfect season and their third title! It's been an incredible year for women's basketball, and this team was so disciplined and talented. Well deserved.
I should add: I now see that my admin has, in fact, been thoughtfully soliciting input from users regarding whether to federate with Threads. And it seems that their considerations are related not to ethics, but to "technical and moderation concerns."
I don't yet understand the technical points here (e.g. "suspend" vs. "limit"), but I'd encourage anyone considering mas.to to review my admin's stance.
I should add: I now see that my admin has, in fact, been thoughtfully soliciting input from users regarding whether to federate with Threads. And it seems that their considerations are related not to ethics, but to "technical and moderation concerns."
I don't yet understand the technical points here (e.g. "suspend" vs. "limit"), but I'd encourage anyone considering mas.to to review my admin's stance.
Yeah, speaking as the head of moderation on a server that doesn't block Threads yet, it's a very complicated decision with a lot of reasonable arguments either way. It's really up to the staff and community of a server, and what they are willing to deal with or potentially get dragged into, whether or not to block.
A big part of it is moderation, simply because Threads isn't moderating content, on top of the fact that the Facebook company is actively gathering a huge amount of data on everyone in the world. A lot of server staffs just don't want to deal with that, and that's totally reasonable.
Well. try to switch instances from Mastodon to Threads or vice versa and see. And as far as I know in Threads you cannot see answers from Mastodon or other federated services. There is aswell a 5 Min-Grace-Period time until posts are pushed to Fediverse and many more minor and major issues.
@TheTomas Why would I switch instances from Mastodon when I’m not on Mastodon?
Regarding responses from Mastodon to Threads, we already know that federation with Threads is in beta, and that functionality is coming later. Nevertheless, not a dealbreaker for me.
As for a 5 minute grace period, so what? There’s lots of “minor and major issues” with all Fediverse software, including Mastodon.
@TheTomas What's interesting to me, as someone who's generally critical of the state of the fedi, is that I think atomicpoet is right, it is a part of the fediverse, but I think TheTomas's general point is also important, which is whether there should be a base threshold of inter-functionality to be considered a part of the fediverse.
Because merely receiving posts isn't far beyond RSS and the fedi, AFAICT, likes to (& should) think of itself as more than that too.
@maegul @TheTomas Threads ain’t glorified RSS either because Threads users count likes and boosts from the rest of the Fediverse.
Comments to Threads isn’t being received yet, but we already know that’s coming.
Now I don’t believe that any software should be obligated to receive comments – and I’ve believed that even before Threads joined the Fediverse. One of my consistent complaints about the Fediverse has been lack of comment controls, and how it’s near-impossible to reject replies. So far, the only server software that has good comment controls is Streams by @mikedev. Almost all other software doesn’t even have it as an option.
To me, the one and only base threshold of inter-functionality is some sort of adoption federation, preferably ActivityPub. But even ActivityPub is negotiable to me.
@maegul I guess I represent a generation that experienced Microsofts' EEE very well in the 90ies. Threads is nothing like that. With it's mass of Mio accounts I consider Thread as a threat.
@TheTomas @maegul I hate Outlook and think it’s from the bowels of hell. And yet, I would never say it has nothing to do with email. I doubt you would say otherwise either.
The important thing is that people have the ability to federate (or not) with whomever they want. Having that choice is a giant step from not having any choice. I'm a browser war veteran and I'm treating Threads with caution -- and always have a plan 'B'. Incidentally I developed this plan 'B' because of EEE tactics pursued by Mastodon, not Meta.
Fighting a closed community by closing your community means they've already won. I've been working on the fediverse a very long time. We have weapons and tactics you aren't even aware of.
The company who facilitated genocide...part of the Fediverse?
N E V E R.
They might connect via AP but they will never be part of us, and frankly glossing over Meta's many appalling abuses and issues is something I find deeply problematic.
Not really. Maybe if he joined something belonging to the community rather than Meta. But honestly if I want to read what Obama says about something (and I do heed what he says even if I don't always agree) it's not like there aren't already many places to do that.
@natsume_shokogami Putting aside the “read-only” mode for @threads.net accounts, fediverse integration is opt-in, so they kinda did something to have their content available for us in the fediverse. I say is a good start.
For good reason, I’m very concerned that Fediverse developers are stuck with the mindset that “Fediverse = Mastodon”—even when they, themselves, develop non-Mastodon services.
So it’s important to remember this: though Mastodon is 70% of the (non-Threads) Fediverse, last year it was 90%. More and more people are using services like Misskey, Akkoma, Sharkey, Friendica, Lemmy, micro.blog, etc.
Software on the Fediverse is becoming more diverse. While Mastodom serves many people’s needs, it does not serve everyone’s needs.
Post short thoughts or long essays, share photos, all on your own blog. Micro.blog makes it easy, and provides a friendly community where you can share and engage with others.
For good reason, I’m very concerned that Fediverse developers are stuck with the mindset that “Fediverse = Mastodon”—even when they, themselves, develop non-Mastodon services.
So it’s important to remember this: though Mastodon is 70% of the (non-Threads) Fediverse, last year it was 90%. More and more people are using services like Misskey, Akkoma, Sharkey, Friendica, Lemmy, micro.blog, etc.
Software on the Fediverse is becoming more diverse. While Mastodom serves many people’s needs, it does not serve everyone’s needs.
@mosseri This might be a problem with the local client? We're certainly sending down a valid CDN url as the attachment, and it renders just fine in other Mastodon clients (screenshot here is from my local server).
The CDN url is hosted on cdninstagram.com so I would check if you have any local blocklists in your browser that might affect that.
...and #Castopod, the opensource, decentralized, federated self-hosting podcast platform, just hit Softaculous, meaning that many people with a hosted domain somewhere can install it with just a click of a button.
Even NameCheap hosting authorized it in their free #Softaculous offerings.
Castopod is a free and open-source hosting platform made for podcasters. Engage and interact with your audience whilst keeping control over your content.
Adam Mosseri (mosseri@mastodon.social), who works at #Meta on #Threads, is looking to fix a bug that affects how images on Threads render on some #Fediverse servers.
He also confirms that our comments on Threads posts will be visible to Threads users soon, meaning “true” two-way federation is coming.
Apparently many people were under the impression that de-federating #Threads would prevent them from accessing their public #Fediverse feed. When I mentioned this isn’t the case, and even gave a practical way for anyone to receive your feed without federation, a lot of people were grateful to know that de-federation does not prevent access to their public posts.
One person, just now, doubted what I was saying. So I sent them the RSS feed for their Mastodon posts. Then I shared a screenshot of me accessing their Mastodon posts through an RSS reader.
Apparently many people were under the impression that de-federating #Threads would prevent them from accessing their public #Fediverse feed. When I mentioned this isn’t the case, and even gave a practical way for anyone to receive your feed without federation, a lot of people were grateful to know that de-federation does not prevent access to their public posts.
One person, just now, doubted what I was saying. So I sent them the RSS feed for their Mastodon posts. Then I shared a screenshot of me accessing their Mastodon posts through an RSS reader.
De-federating #Threads does NOT prevent #Meta from accessing your public #Fediverse feed.
This is demonstrably false. Almost all servers that de-federate Threads still broadcast the RSS feed of your posts. This is available to everyone, even servers that are de-federated from yours.
If you don’t believe me, test this out for yourself. Append “.rss” to the end of your profile URL (exampleserver.com/@username.rss), and see what happens.
Hell, if I wanted to build a search engine for the Fediverse and not use ActivityPub, I could use RSS instead and I could index most of the Fediverse – whether you opt into it or not.
Let’s stop spreading the myth that de-federation by itself prevents Threads from accessing your public feed.
So far, I’m not liking how Threads posts render on my Akkoma server.
Too much of it is no text – just a big ginormous paperclip.
And what is that paperclip? Well, when I click on it, it opens up a new tab to reveal… a screenshot of a Tweet.
All of this could be bloody avoided if Threads people put the contents of the tweet in their posts. Or even better, if Threads actually rendered these pictures in the post and put in alt-text as well.
I’d tell these Threads people how bad these posts look on the Fediverse, but none of them can see my replies. Thanks, @zuck!
(Also, if the link to the post doesn’t show up, don’t blame me. Blame Threads. You don’t need to click it anyway since I’m providing a screenshot of what I’m seeing.)
So far, I’m not liking how Threads posts render on my Akkoma server.
Too much of it is no text – just a big ginormous paperclip.
And what is that paperclip? Well, when I click on it, it opens up a new tab to reveal… a screenshot of a Tweet.
All of this could be bloody avoided if Threads people put the contents of the tweet in their posts. Or even better, if Threads actually rendered these pictures in the post and put in alt-text as well.
I’d tell these Threads people how bad these posts look on the Fediverse, but none of them can see my replies. Thanks, @zuck!
(Also, if the link to the post doesn’t show up, don’t blame me. Blame Threads. You don’t need to click it anyway since I’m providing a screenshot of what I’m seeing.)
FYI Threads does have alt text https://nerdschalk.com/threads-alt-text-image-video-post/ it might not be playing nice with federation though, apparently you have to enable the ability to view it from your settings page? Or adoption of alt text could just be super low on that platform. I'm not there, couldn't say.
What to know Threads now lets you add ALT text to an image or a video. Select the ‘Alt’ option after you upload from your gallery and add the alternative text. Alt text makes it easier …
@mosseri This might be a problem with the local client? We're certainly sending down a valid CDN url as the attachment, and it renders just fine in other Mastodon clients (screenshot here is from my local server).
The CDN url is hosted on cdninstagram.com so I would check if you have any local blocklists in your browser that might affect that.
"Photo by Jo on April 05, 2024. May be a Twitter screenshot of 2 people and text that says 'Jo @JoJoFromJerz … Donald Trump was the president when the entire planet was hit with a once in a lifetime historic pandemic. But, ok. Marjorie Taylor Greene... @mtgreenee Follow God is sending America strong signs to tell us to repent. Earthquakes and eclipses and many more things to come. pray that our country listens.'."
@pcottle @mosseri This is not a Mastodon client. It’s how Pleroma, Akkoma, and other forks display images from Threads.
And yes, I’ve tested this on multiple front-ends and clients—same result. Other people running Akkoma and Pleroma report the same thing.
Both Akkoma and Pleroma, by the way, utilize Mastodon’s API.
One further thing: behind Mastodon and Misskey, Pleroma/Akkoma is the third most used microblogging server software on the Fediverse, particularly popular with people who run small servers and care about resource efficiency. It’s used by around 200,000 people. As more people run their own servers, it will likely be even more popular in the future.
That being said, ML-generated alt text should be available in the API now! Just verified on my end. Your feedback is heard 😀 We've always exposed user-provided alt text but that's not always provided.
Let me know if you have any theories on why this URL can't be rendered.
@BeAware Sorry I meant "other mastodon clients" as in the "other clients that I have access to that are Mastodon." Totally get that there are a variety of popular platforms and we actually use `_misskey_quote` as our quote post URI field 😀
@BeAware Sorry I meant "other mastodon clients" as in the "other clients that I have access to that are Mastodon." Totally get that there are a variety of popular platforms and we actually use `_misskey_quote` as our quote post URI field 😀
1. Look up a podcast on https://podcastindex.org/ 2. Check the number at the end of the URL in your browser. Example: https://podcastindex.org/podcast/270016 -> 270016 3. Follow <number>@ap.podcastindex.org. For example, @270016 . 4. Get podcast updates over ActivityPub! Including audio!
@voxpelli OK yes, sorry, thought the problem this was trying to solve was showing that one user account or profile owned multiple things: a Mastodon profile, an RSS feed, etc....
For different formats I usually use rel alternate. For different urls of the same thing, canonical - unless it's the current document, for which I often use self; even if it's pointing to a different url. I suppose technically it should "self canonical" but I'll accept either or both.
I believe the IETF and IANA did a reasonably good job of documenting link relations through various sources. I have nothing useful or interesting to add.
A few influencers, active both on the “regular” Fediverse and Threads, have noted that having a Threads account hasn’t given them a bigger audience even though Threads has a bigger userbase than (for example) Mastodon.
Quite the opposite. There’s more visibility here. People are more likely to interact with your posts. It’s easier to gain followers as well.
None of this surprises me. There’s always been two types of people who build content for social media: those who engage with people, and those who game algorithms.
I do believe there’s a need for algorithmic choice in fedi. Not just “algorithms bad” “ you are your own algorithm” I’m working on a blogpost but in short people like content that’s curated for them. Also, safety. Algorithms are tuned to also avoid a lot of the illegal content.
De-federating #Threads does NOT prevent #Meta from accessing your public #Fediverse feed.
This is demonstrably false. Almost all servers that de-federate Threads still broadcast the RSS feed of your posts. This is available to everyone, even servers that are de-federated from yours.
If you don’t believe me, test this out for yourself. Append “.rss” to the end of your profile URL (exampleserver.com/@username.rss), and see what happens.
Hell, if I wanted to build a search engine for the Fediverse and not use ActivityPub, I could use RSS instead and I could index most of the Fediverse – whether you opt into it or not.
Let’s stop spreading the myth that de-federation by itself prevents Threads from accessing your public feed.
Maybe you don’t believe de-federating Threads will prevent them from accessing your public feed, but many people do. In fact, they’ve said so in replies to me.
If you follow anything Meta does, then you’re probably aware this isn’t a matter of “threats as they come up” but a threat that is already here.
It’s almost certain that Meta is accessing your public feeds for their own use.
Tools already exist that allow RSS to be converted to posts on Facebook and Instagram. It’s therefore almost certain that someone is building a tool that allows re-broadcast to Meta’s social networks from an RSS feed.
This isn't a false sense of security. If you prepare for every single possibility, you wouldn't be using your computer, you'd have turned it off and buried it in a concrete block under the ocean starting around the early 2000s.
Large parts of security is being able to RESPOND to threats as they come up. It's always a balance between convenience and security. Disabling public post view for example would make scraping harder, but it would also make it a pain in the ass for normal outside users to see the full context of posts.
This isn't a binary choice. Stop acting like it is. You know this.
@privateger if federation is what you want, welcome to the fediverse. Otherwise, a chat group would be a better fit.
This is important because protocols define who gets to be a member by adherence to standards. Whether or not you like them the question is whether they adhere to the standards. Being allowed to interoperate is not a question of who you are but of how you implement the specification.
Yes, and an instance following the AP standard would respect a defederation by default. That's all they have to do, and it likely is all they'll be doing.
Becoming a hostile actor is more work for basically zero reward for them.
The fact that meta has the resources to do this sort of thing and leverage all its other data exploitation, makes me support defederating from Threads even more.
If you want to de-federate from Threads due to moral and ethical reasons, that’s fair. I mention this because many people believe de-federation prevents data scraping – which is not true.
@AvonVilla that's the thing.... ANYONE can do those things. It doesn't take lots of money to view RSS feeds or make something automated to store data from RSS feeds....anyone can do any of these things at any time.
If you're not okay with literally anyone getting your data, the only option you have is to make your profile private.
@BeAware Yes I understand that public data is public. Federation is much more than that, it supercharges the value of data which flows from the fediverse to meta, allowing meta to exploit it in ways I find abhorrent, and in ways which are beyond the means of everyone else. Meta's tactics should be illegal but they are allowed. They have too much power as it is, I came here to avoid giving them more power, and now they are coming for me anyway.
@AvonVilla you literally were SO close to my point, but missed it....
ANYONE can do federation and "steal" your data. Nobody has to make an account that shows who they really are. I can make an account with all kinds of lies and fake info, then follow anyone I want and use their posts however I want and they wouldn't have a clue....
@BeAware On the specific comment "anyone can do federation", remember too, that anyone can do defederation. MY point is that it should be done in the case of meta.
I'm happy that the instance I'm on has gone down that path.
Defederation is a response action. Something that one has to know about specific activity that would make them want to defederate. If you don't know, you can't defederate...your PUBLIC data is public. Blocking meta won't change that and they aren't the only bad actors in the world with access to your public data via Federation. We federate by default, meaning your data is exposed by default, to Meta, or anyone else that isn't defederated...
It's fine though, you keep dodging the point and it doesn't matter anyway because you got what you want and so do I. Have a good day.
I think there are two problems in general. One is horrendous assholes at the minnow level. Handling those is about moderation. The other is about warlords like threads and ex. With the minnows I like the bluesky approach of having moderation services that the consumer hires. I don't respect bluesky but I like that one aspect of the architecture.
With the warlords I think the best protection is a poison pill against making a profit.
An instance fetching activities from another instance would not get an answer if they got blocked. Unless they actively try to circumvent it by doing out-of-spec shenanigans, blocking them will behave as you would expect it to. A spec-adherent AP instance respects the other instances.
Federation doesn't mean you have to be open to everyone, it means you can choose who you wish to associate with. Being able to choose is the thing seperating Fedi from Twitter, where everyone is in one giant nightmare pot.
I run a lightly moderated instance myself. Being able to block all the horrendous shit out there however is a core feature and the reason I'm even here.
I am thinking your reply to my clarification actually is meant for @privateger , correct? Otherwise I'm getting all confused. 😄
If at all interesting (I haven't been in the thread previously) I think the people of the Fediverse too often confuse the capabilities of services (Mastodon, Pleroma, Sharkey etc) with the infrastructure capabilities (or lack thereof) of the protocol (ActivityPub) and the wishes of "the users" or "the communities".
Too often they are lumped together along with a "it has always been like this", and we call that "The Fediverse", and then people point fingers at others for not using the same base view when talking about as varied things as "my users wishes" vs "capabilities of the protocol".
It does however also highlight, and hopefully put some pressure on, developing and evolving ActivityPub in such a way th
I am thinking your reply to my clarification actually is meant for @privateger , correct? Otherwise I'm getting all confused. 😄
If at all interesting (I haven't been in the thread previously) I think the people of the Fediverse too often confuse the capabilities of services (Mastodon, Pleroma, Sharkey etc) with the infrastructure capabilities (or lack thereof) of the protocol (ActivityPub) and the wishes of "the users" or "the communities".
Too often they are lumped together along with a "it has always been like this", and we call that "The Fediverse", and then people point fingers at others for not using the same base view when talking about as varied things as "my users wishes" vs "capabilities of the protocol".
It does however also highlight, and hopefully put some pressure on, developing and evolving ActivityPub in such a way that it perhaps can handle, via the services, the wishes of the users of the services, which is something it is lacking today.
I could imagine a great point to start would be to add some security/privacy features that trickles all the way down to the protocol. But today they don't exist in the protocol, which would need to be updated/upgraded/refactored to cater for that.
To me an open protocol should not identify users, instances or locations, but merely facilitate communication and relevant functionality, and the protocol should function the same for anyone implementing the protocol. The rest should be functionality of the services (which can be opinionated), which function on top of the protocol.
It'll prevent their normal automated systems though. They'd have to have a second scrapper using a second access channel and they haven't even finished writing their first yet.
Plus, the terms of service on this instance explicitly forbid them, they would be breaking the law and if we find they have done so they are open to legal attack .
I find it quite unlikely that any other fediverse instance would have the legal power to do anything against them in such a situation.
At the same time, I do agree they probably won't care about doing that scraping. They won't put in the work to get all the possible data, when they have multiple large instances they can use instead. Plus ways to get to it through the other instances they are federated with.
Anyway, blocking them in my opinion is much more about having a peace of mind that my instance won't suddenly get overrun with data from them whenever they reach more feature-rich integration. Though I believe they would be working on ways to address that somehow, since I doubt they realistically expect anyone would be able to just cache all the stuff that comes from them, even just the text parts. Plus... you know... blocking them is a tiny act of pointless resistance that makes me feel good. 🙂 It's just not a particularly useful one from a privacy standpoint.
@m Yes. I was on a phone sitting on the beach and couldn't properly track the threads. 😀
About mixing up services, protocol, and communities, I believe there is a Cambrian Explosion moment of social networking innovations. Some of the end results will be troll nests, like Truth Social. Some will be single-interest forums, like mini-Reddits. Some will be general purpose communication infrastructure, like SMTP.
Defederating #Threads will, however, stop Threads from drowning out the entire rest of the Fediverse.
The result of federating is that Threads *is* the Fediverse now, and the rest of us are just the silent periphery that no one cares about and aren't even allowed to speak to Threads users (the federation is one-way). This kills the Fediverse. Easiest #EmbraceExtendExtinguish ever.
@argv_minus_one Limited federation is an option that addresses that. Admins can make it so that only specific Threads accounts that you follow show up in your home feed.
For example, if you’re only following @potus, you will only see his account and no one else on Threads.
De-federation is not a one size fits all solution, and there’s other tools available to address problems.
Regardless, WordPress has a bigger install base than Threads. What are you going to do if they turn on federation by default?
But also, I don't want my content appearing on Zuckerberg's platform, even if it does support two-way federation in the future. I can't actually stop them from scraping it, of course, but by blocking them, I can at least put them on notice that they are not welcome.
@argv_minus_one Thanks to our feeds here being follower-defined and not "algorithmic”, I don't see how Threads posts (and thus Threads itself) could drown out my feed or anyone else's feed unless they consciously decide to overwhelmingly follow Threads accounts. Plus, since we have access to Threads posts (for now) and not the other way around, this in some ways gives us *MORE* capability than those natively on Threads.
@shellsharks @argv_minus_one Also, even though it’s possible Threads could turn on federation by default for all accounts, I don’t think that’s likely.
This would piss off everyone who has a private Threads account, causing a big blow up over there. And for what purpose?
Regardless, I suspect Threads has other more compelling reasons to add federation than “taking over the Fediverse”.
@argv_minus_one I think Threads can play in the Fediverse sandbox without the intention of destroying traditional Fedi. I’m not saying they don't have the same surveillance capitalist goals for first-party users of their own platform but I think there are good reasons for them to enable AP support beyond trying to crush us or harvest our data.
Well, I saw your post because I was looking at my "all servers" tab. If my instance-owner hadn't blocked Threads, my "all servers" tab might be flooded with Threads stuff.
@ferricoxide @argv_minus_one Ya know what? I honestly hadn't considered concerns around flooding the “Federated" timeline because in my mind this is already entirely unusable. I suppose if you rely on, or regularly use that feature and are concerned about what the Threads deluge would do to it (whether it be homogenizing or potentially harmful) then I can understand why the sheer volume of what Threads brings to the traditional Fediverse is a concern.
However, it’s entirely possible to limit federation so that no Threads accounts show up in your federated timeline, but you still receive updates from selected Threads accounts that you want to follow.
But does it prevent them from doing so *legally*? I can create searchable indexes of lots of things I find online, but that's often a copyright violation.
So first up, I'm not an IP lawyer, or any other kind of lawyer, so I can only talk about how big online copyright cases have played out, from what was reported in the media, but I reckon that indexing is entirely legal.
Search engines have been indexing the content of every website they can find for over 30 years. This includes stuff that the owners really didn't want indexed. There have been many well-publicized cases of Google and friends indexing stuff that should have been protected but that wasn't, including private medical records, plaintext password databases, classified government documents, internal company documents, and more. Lazy hackers have been using google to search for filenames that might contain sensitive data (maybe something like "Patient admissions filetype:xlsx") for as long as search engines have existed. As far as I know, no search engine has ever been found guilty of breaking the law by doing this, and nobody has ever successfully sued.
Closest I can think of to real legal problems for indexers was when Google started bulk-scanning copyrigh
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So first up, I'm not an IP lawyer, or any other kind of lawyer, so I can only talk about how big online copyright cases have played out, from what was reported in the media, but I reckon that indexing is entirely legal.
Search engines have been indexing the content of every website they can find for over 30 years. This includes stuff that the owners really didn't want indexed. There have been many well-publicized cases of Google and friends indexing stuff that should have been protected but that wasn't, including private medical records, plaintext password databases, classified government documents, internal company documents, and more. Lazy hackers have been using google to search for filenames that might contain sensitive data (maybe something like "Patient admissions filetype:xlsx") for as long as search engines have existed. As far as I know, no search engine has ever been found guilty of breaking the law by doing this, and nobody has ever successfully sued.
Closest I can think of to real legal problems for indexers was when Google started bulk-scanning copyrighted books, and making them available in books.google.com
That was a long time ago so I don't remember much of the reporting, but based on how that website works now, I suspect that the only copyright issue that stuck was "You can't just give copies away", The index remains, and you can read excerpts of books, but not the whole text.
Planning on running your own #Fediverse server? It’s important to keep certain expectations in mind.
I’m running Akkoma, which is one of the most resource-efficient microblog server software for the Fediverse.
With Akkoma, 1CPU and 512MB of RAM is enough to get started. This is good enough for a single user doing “normal” operation. And by “normal”, I mean has a couple hundred followers and posts 10x times a day.
2CPU and 2GB of RAM is good enough for a community of 20 users who are all doing normal operation. However, one power user can skew this if they have 1,000s of followers and post 50x a day. When I had 3,000 followers, this amount of resources was absolutely fine.
But if you want to run a server with 100 users, all doing normal operation, then you probably need 2CPU and 8GB of RAM. Personally, even though I only have three users on atomicpoet.org, this is what I’m running rig
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Planning on running your own #Fediverse server? It’s important to keep certain expectations in mind.
I’m running Akkoma, which is one of the most resource-efficient microblog server software for the Fediverse.
With Akkoma, 1CPU and 512MB of RAM is enough to get started. This is good enough for a single user doing “normal” operation. And by “normal”, I mean has a couple hundred followers and posts 10x times a day.
2CPU and 2GB of RAM is good enough for a community of 20 users who are all doing normal operation. However, one power user can skew this if they have 1,000s of followers and post 50x a day. When I had 3,000 followers, this amount of resources was absolutely fine.
But if you want to run a server with 100 users, all doing normal operation, then you probably need 2CPU and 8GB of RAM. Personally, even though I only have three users on atomicpoet.org, this is what I’m running right now.
It’s not just because I have 13.5K followers and federating with most of the Fediverse, but also because at several points during the past week, several of my posts went viral across the Fediverse – which put tremendous stress on a server.
Put another way, even if you’re following less than 100 people and only sending out a post a few times a day, if one post gets liked and boosted 1,000 times – this has happened to me – your server will suffer for it. With good management, your server will probably survive, but it will not be easy keeping up with demand.
Do I recommend running your own server? Absolutely, it is an incredibly rewarding experience and puts you in complete control of your social media life. Even so, it’s good to set reasonable expectations of what a Fediverse server can do.
Just upgraded atomicpoet.org from 2GB of RAM to 8GB of RAM.
While running it with 2GB was doable, ever since migrating my account from Firefish to Akkoma + Mangane, my server was struggling with the load.
Yes, by user count, atomicpoet.org is small. However, 13.5K people are following me, and I’m federating with 23,000 servers—most of the Fediverse.
The biggest reason for the upgrade, though, is that I want room to grow. If more people end up following me, I don’t want atomicpoet.org to just give up the ghost. And if more of my family join, I want this to be a good experience for them too.
I’m incredibly lucky to be able to run this server, and I thank @reiver for all his hard work behind the scenes. He’s helping with the back end operation.
I come home to find my feeds/streams flooded with vitriolic politicial drivel emanating from a group to which I belong that states emphatically that it doesn't tolerate off-topic traffic.
The stated purpose of this Fediverse group on my home Friendica server is stated as follows:
This is a Friendica group dedicated to #Fediverse news. What are the advantages of a group over a hashtag?
Groups can do things that hashtags can't. For example, groups:
are moderated
can re-share content
can speak as a group
Joining and contributing to a Friendica group is easy. To share your posts to @Fediverse News, follow these steps:
Follow @Fediverse News
When sharing Fediverse news, tag @Fediverse News
The @Fediverse News group will then re-share your post
I come home to find my feeds/streams flooded with vitriolic politicial drivel emanating from a group to which I belong that states emphatically that it doesn't tolerate off-topic traffic.
The stated purpose of this Fediverse group on my home Friendica server is stated as follows:
This is a Friendica group dedicated to #Fediverse news. What are the advantages of a group over a hashtag?
Groups can do things that hashtags can't. For example, groups:
are moderated
can re-share content
can speak as a group
Joining and contributing to a Friendica group is easy. To share your posts to @Fediverse News, follow these steps:
Follow @Fediverse News
When sharing Fediverse news, tag @Fediverse News
The @Fediverse News group will then re-share your post
This is an actively moderated group. Be sure to stay on topic, or your posts will be removed.
As per the instructions for this Friendica / Fediverse group, I'm notifying the moderation team by CC'ing the following address with this complaint and request to remove the vicious hate that's been spewing into the group here all day long while I've been away working:
People who sign up for a Fediverse News site should not be subjected to hatred being fomented, propagated, and bantered about with respect to unrelated matters, such as (abominable) off-topic, political vitriol.
) Posting announcements concerning the onboarding and subesquent federating nature of a public figure's account on threads.net is a relevant matter to the Fediverse, Fediverse Technology, and Fediverse News.
) acerbic comentary, name calling, ad hominem, and libel, as has consumed the group today, is not - those posts are a cause of severe harm and should most certainly, IMO be removed as per the terms/rules quoted above.
) The level of cacophony and pejorative hate speech permitted to continue throughout the day today is shameful. This is not the place to engage or encourage such juvenile behavior, let alone permit it to foment and spread across the Fediverse as it has today!
Moderation Team: Thank you, in advance, for taking your time to address and resolve this matter, returning this group to the decorum it usually enjoys with people conversing and observing the principles of civil discourse.
By my count (could be incorrect) you are at least two updates behind the latest Akkoma version. For me it started to work on one of the two latest updates (can't recall now). Prior to updating I had what you describe.
@Cotopaxi You can’t say that the Fediverse doesn’t collect data and aggregate it for sale to third parties because the Fediverse is not one singular entity.
Anyone can take your public posts and sell it if they wish. Blocking Threads does not prevent this.
Also, while my posts in the fediverse are public, I'm under the impression that the fediverse, outside threads domain, doesn't collect and sell user data from public posts to third parties. I would appreciate being corrected if this is not true. The Threads domain, I have read, will collect data from public posts in the fediverse and may aggregate it for sale to third parties, but blocking the Threads domain is supposed to prevent this. Again, please do correct me if wrong.
Thank you. I'm aware my posts are public. But I read a post (now cannot locate it) that said, assuming I understood this correctly and simplifying what it said, that the Threads domain link to the fediverse gave it the potential to scrape account data that isn't publicly posted. I would appreciate knowledgeable input on this concern. I should have been clearer about this, apologies.
WAKE UP another 87 year old corrupt politican joined the fediverse. its not like he just joined threads and will almost never acess any part of the fediverse. How amazing is that!!!
@the_Effekt You’re on a server that federates with Threads. The likelihood that universeodon.com stops federating with Threads has drastically diminished.
@MaggieCi Nah. My one-person server costs me $11/month between the virtual server and the object storage. Something government-scale would need multiple servers, geo-redundancy, and all that. Plus, the “and my tax dollars!” crowd would ask why we don’t just join Threads because it’s free.
@the_Effekt I’ve long learned that social media is only as strong as its network effect, and that influential people are key to building a stronger network effect. Most people only join services if they perceive them as popular. However, to be popular, someone of consequence must be there first.
@potus is the most influential person on the planet.
Have to disagree with you there. Even though universeodon.com changed hands, it was unlikely they would defederate anyway. I personally am neither for nor against my admin's decisions. If I don't like it I can move.
universeodon was taken over by mastodonapp.uk (non US) anyway.
I don't believe that one noteworthy person who per government policy can only post generalities on social media can drastically change anything.
Remember we're talking about the Fediverse here. There are a lot more people of my ilk who value discussions with friends, deep dives into news snippets, and art over occasional non-committal comments by famous people.
Not to mention Threads is still (at this point) a partially disconnected entity that builds overlay protocols to keep it's commercial interests as a priority over true federation.
Potus would never even see our replies, and this could go on for months or years.
The Fediverse grows organically. It has a more solid foundation than other platforms seeking eyeballs for eyeballs sake.
There might be a lot of techies here, but my feed is packed with great variety. It's more interesting than any other social media. Anyone else can do the same because they can choose for themselves.
The nerd network argument was no longer valid 5 years ago. Boden's account on threads is more likely to result in more people creating an account on threads than on any real Fediverse service. The network effect is there, just in the wrong direction. Biden is strengthening Meta rather than the Fediverse
What the federation from Fediverse to threads will look like is not yet foreseeable. And I dare to doubt that even a fraction of threads users will even activate the federation to the Fediverse
@crossgolf_rebel @the_Effekt Frankly, just having @potus here makes the Fediverse that much more usable than it was yesterday—even if federation is in one direction for the moment. And I really do mean that.
My instance doesn't federate with the genocide enabliers, so this is what I see if I click on the @potus links everyone is putting in this thread. Much more wholesome. @fediversenews
@TheJen Not the normal Library of Congress material. It's the stuff they were putting into commercial repositories for academic papers. They seem to be going by dept/area, so you can find some locally already, but not all. I don't know if the new repository is considered part of the Library of Congress.
Accounts like @potus are gonna be used as a one way broadcast layer no matter what service they are on. It's pretty much just for announcements and statements, not direct interaction with people.
Which, when we are talking any political office might be best.
1) Do our politicians need a large bully pulpit than what they already have? 2) Kind of defeats the entire "social" purpose of "social media" then doesn't it?
1) Do our politicians need a larger bully pulpit than what they already have? 2) Kind of defeats the entire "social" purpose of "social media" then doesn't it?
@gme Do you need it? Our politicians take every opportunity they can to push out whatever their message is at any time. If anything we need them to do it so we can at least know what they are saying and keep track.
And it doesn't defeat the social part of social media. Making a statement and letting the masses discuss is just as socially valid as answering every post.
Maybe if Biden was forced to hear from his constituents he might learn that his policies towards Israel are woefully unpopular. Instead he's insulated himself and only hears from his sycophants.
At least Obama got out there and talked to the people. Before this campaign season started when was the last time Biden actually sat down and met with his constituents?
If I want to just hear what the White House says there are a multitude of avenues to be spoon fed the spin.
My point is it's not really that great that @potus@threads.net is here. Not when Threads is only broadcasting Threads users to the Fediverse and not taking any of the replies. (And I'm a staunch supporter for Threads being on the fediverse!)
But another broadcast channel is the absolute last thing we need.
@gme The one directional nature of the Threads Federation right now is just out of everyone on Threads hands. That's gonna be on Meta to eventually address and put up. Otherwise there is no benifit for a Threads user to hit that Fediverse switch. Why would they care what people they can't see think or how many follow them if they can't even follow back?
@C.W. Smith that's the case with pretty much every political/important person account that I know of (and on everything social media). They only keep their account for posting and not much else. Following them is like using a glorified feed reader.
A Fediverse service someone should build: daily digest emails that summarizes what happened across the Fediverse, and interesting things that popped up in your feed.
Why make it? Because if you’re away from the Fediverse for a period of time, emails are a nice way to get caught up.
@MariaLiv @Sh4d0w_H34rt An LLM would be overkill for such a service and also counter-intuitive. It would be much simpler to display trending posts and stuff that showed up in your feed.
@Sh4d0w_H34rt @MariaLiv Some kind of Algorithm that identifies trending posts and, optionally displays them in preference to a strictly chronological view of people you follow? Revolutionary!
So far, only 2,800 Threads accounts have turned on Federation. Of the ones I see, they’re quite active.
I suspect the reason for the minuscule number of federated accounts is because Threads users can’t see replies from the Fediverse yet. Why would you turn on federation if you’re oblivious to interactions from the Fediverse?
Nevertheless, we’ll see what happens once communication becomes two-way.
Well, I'll enshure it's not even becoming one-way in terms of accessing my account.
Because #NSAbook / #StasiBoik's #ToS are inacceptable and I'm so close to looking up if I can place a permanent injunction and restraining order against #Facebook (or #Meta or whatever that #Snitchpot / #Honeypot is called) to ban them from ever collecting, storing, processing or handling data about me at all!
@pre I think each instance only knows about a certain number of accounts.
There may or may not be more than 2800. Not sure where the number he gives is coming from. From his instance stats or some official report/article/skill set.
The smaller the instance, less federation, the fewer the accounts.
My instance has only discovered 801Threads accounts, increasing by 100 daily.
I'm sure the larger instances have more. I'm curious what one like Mastodon.Social has discovered.
@Chris Trottier Threads only allows the Fediverse integration for public accounts. Why would someone get their content all in the public for something they don't know about?
Many people I know keep their profiles private on both Instagram and Threads, for obvious reasons (posting about their private life and whatnot). Switching to a public profile is a pretty high barrier of entry to the Fediverse for these people.
@kommaKucken@ruhr.social @thomkennon@mastodon.social @aral@mastodon.ar.al
hear-me.social is showing as blocking Threads.net. This is not true. We are limiting them. There are no plans to block them.
I am listed as being part of fedipact, which I did sign onto, but I then reconsidered. There doesn't appear to be a way to remove my name from the fedipact.
It was also incorrectly reporting my instance as not blocking Threads while the endpoint that lists blocked servers was not public, I reported the issue yesterday.
@fediversenews given how inaccurate it is, I have to wonder what the intent was. Cause it certainly doesn't seem to be meant as an accurate portrayal of which sites are and aren't federated w/ threads.net ...
(edit to add: and yes, the instance I'm on is incorrectly described)
Chris Trottier
in reply to Fediverse News • • •I really do believe groups (a.k.a., group actors) should be a bigger deal. That function needs more adoption.
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in reply to Luna Dragofelis ΘΔ moved to @LunaDragofelis@buff.tomboyfan.club • • •I wouldn't say "blame.” After all, all he wanted to do is to create a clone, he found a working protocol that supported his needs, and he's using that protocol for his needs.
What is more to blame is people thinking that the “Fediverse" is somehow a homogenous group of interconnected diverse services rather than a shared protocol used by many services, that allows, somewhat, service interconnectedness.
@atomicpoet @fediversenews
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Chris Trottier
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Here's screenshots of how this group is rendered both on Friendica as well as Mastodon!
Chris Trottier
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •https://venera.social/dfrn_poll/fediversenews
Poliverso - notizie dal fediverso
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •I advise you to add a description to the group, because old friendica forum posts are not displayed by followers who have just started following them
This is what I did for the school group of my instance:
https://poliverso.org/contact/456993
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Chris Trottier
in reply to Henrick • • •At some point, search will need to be adopted -- but I think we can build out social discovery through other means.
And groups could be a big factor in this.
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •In fact from this account which runs on Calckey I can text search anything as you yourself have mentioned in the past, how does that protect anyone?
Groups will be like Twitter Communities in my opinion and won't contribute greatly to expanding the social graph, though.
It's a great idea if groups are adopted, I can see use cases for it but many users might not, or they might initially struggle with figuring out a use case for it.
If we are going to add new social discovery features that aren't well trafficked on other platforms we should work hard to explain these new features to all the users that come along and see them.
"Groups! It's like signing up for a newsletter you can contribute to." That's an over simplification but this is something we... show more
In fact from this account which runs on Calckey I can text search anything as you yourself have mentioned in the past, how does that protect anyone?
Groups will be like Twitter Communities in my opinion and won't contribute greatly to expanding the social graph, though.
It's a great idea if groups are adopted, I can see use cases for it but many users might not, or they might initially struggle with figuring out a use case for it.
If we are going to add new social discovery features that aren't well trafficked on other platforms we should work hard to explain these new features to all the users that come along and see them.
"Groups! It's like signing up for a newsletter you can contribute to." That's an over simplification but this is something we should consider BEFORE we spend a lot of time implementing a new feature. It's partly a technical challenge, partly a marketing challenge. Like on the Key forks they have "Antennas" and honest to my patron deity I didn't understand what they were until I dug around in the Misskey documentation to find out it's actually a Saved Search!
Chris Trottier
in reply to Henrick • • •Sure, everything people post publicly is indexable and scrapable. And how Mastodon’s search works isn’t how the rest of the Fediverse works. We know that.
But if you want to build search anyway, you need to prove to the community that you’re not an asshole.
Henrick
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Calling it "protecting marginalized communities" is doing disservice to those marginalized communities. Saying it's about "Community Buy-In" is doing disservice to the fact there is no singular community.
Speaking as a member of a marginalized community no amount of alternative social discovery will replace the search function.
Poliverso - notizie dal fediverso
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •https://poliverso.org/display/0477a01e-1561-1d9c-a635-74d030346889
PS: I'm also promoting the Lemmy communities, which are somewhat similar to the Friendica forums
Gerty Steinblatt
in reply to Fediverse News • • •Fediverse News
in reply to Fediverse News • •The way you join this group is by following and then tagging your posts with @Fediverse News -- much like you mention anyone else on the Fediverse. However, this is a group, not an account for a single person.
This function isn't available natively on Mastodon, but it's available on Friendica. However, because Mastodon federates with Friendica, you have access to it through Mastodon.
If you want to know what this looks like, visit this URL: https://venera.social/profile/fediversenews
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in reply to Fediverse News • • •There is a minor glitch when viewing a Friendica group profile from Akkoma from the look of it. There is an RSS feed icon displayed for the profile in Akkoma, but its invalid from Friendica and gives a 404.
I'll raise an issue on the Akkoma bug tracker (if it hasn't already been raised).
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Unknown parent • • •I haven't looked to see if a private Friendica group can be made.
Chris Trottier
Unknown parent • • •https://friendica.fediverse.observer/list
@fediversenews
Fediverse Observer checks all servers in the fediverse and gives you an easy way to find a home using a map or list.
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •thank you for linking to this list.
Bernard
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in reply to Fediverse News • • •Who is moderating the account? What are the rules to avoid being censored?